The vatican says heaven and hell is only mental
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Science has established that our universe exist in multiple dimensions. This means that we as individuals exist in multiple dimensions, our consciousness exist in multiple dimensions. Science has documented past lives. Science has also postulated that time is a uniquely human concept. Science says that because of our brain we perceive matter, time and our reality in a linear fashion (in a series one after the other). If you want to see where science is going with all of this then just go to YouTube and see the thousands of documentaries on any of the afore mentioned subjects. We are infinite beings multi-dimensional in nature. And science is on the fore front of these discoveries.
Subjectively, I know that science is still eons behind in determining a true construct of our reality. But for many of us we know that science is the only real and tangible proof of our world that is accepted by the masses. Even though many of us are religious and spiritual, we still depend on science to sort out what is real and imagined. But for the most part many of us walk a fine line or deal with many contradictions when it comes to melding science and spirituality. For example, science has never admitted to proving there is a God but many of us believe very strongly that there is a supreme being and/or force that guides us. When science says prove there is a God, we will fall back on our “faith” and our “knowing”, our “belief” in God. In this instance many of us will question science and we have no problem doing that because after all science is a “man made” body of thought. Therefore whatever man has made we have a right to question. However, when it comes to religious teachings often times we have such a reverence for those teaching we will not question them even if they are contradictory. Science does objectively confirm that there is a “force” that is orchestrating our universe. However not via the laws of the Ten Commandments but by universal forces that everyone adheres to weather it be consciously or subconsciously. Quantum physics seems to be bridging the religious and scientific divide.
Based on some of the premises of science and some of the discoveries recently made, I want to question a religious notion of sin and karma and its relation to heaven and hell. Sense I was a young man I have always had an issue with the concepts of heaven and hell. Not so much heaven as I did with hell. I can hear your thoughts saying hell bothered me because I was probably a bad little kid and was worried. 
That’s not it! Hell and the thought of God banishing a being to hell for eternity was just unconscionable. How could God, who is our “father” not ever want to forgive one of his children? I have children and there is nothing that they could do, that I would never ever not forgive them for! Surely God would be more benevolent than me, a mere mortal? I came to the conclusion many years ago that, God would not do that to us! Now with me growing more spiritually and in subjective knowledge I say that Heaven (as religion thinks of it) and hell, sin and karma are myths.
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Here is why. Subjectively I know that I am a multidimensional being. I (my consciousness) exist in many different dimensions. Science (Quantum Physics and “M Theory) postulates that we have an infinite number of probable lives that exist right now, simultaneously, my past present and future live are all in the present. Subjectively I know this to be true. If you have ever had the feeling of déjà vu’ then objectively you know it also, but do not understand what is happening. Déjà vu’ would be a subject for another article.
Since ALL of our being exist simultaneously, all that we have been, all that we are and all that we ever will be and that includes all of what we term as past and future incarnations, which are all part of our soul. If one of them sins at any moment, does that mean all of our incarnations go to hell? Or would that mean that all of us would have a karmic debt? Since past, present and future are all simultaneous, then does that make reincarnation illogical since to reincarnate we would have to be reborn in linear time (one life after another)? My sixteenth century life is actually a parallel or alternate present. So is my sevententh century life. If all is happening now, how can my seventeenth century life repay the karmic debt of my sixteenth century life if they are alternate presents? How can me being a bad person in the sixteenth century banish the soul of my seventeenth century life to hell for eternity? We both are part of the same entity/soul. Putting our being in this context makes hell and karma illogical. Original sin, karma, guilt and punishment are all man made controls.
Christianity has always talked about eternal life. That is supposed to be a reward for following Gods laws. But would we not already be eternal? As eternal beings the thought that one 70 year life (an average lifespan today), in the scope of eternity, being the sole determinant for an entire existence down right foolish!
The concept of Heaven seems a little to neat and contradictory for me. What I mean by that is, as a physical being we are excited and exhilarated when we are in a state of discovery and growth. Those times are the spice of life! I would surmise that a major reason we are physically here is for our soul to experience what it is like to be alive! Life is truly a beautiful thing. Our souls can not hug a beautiful child or a loved one. However, through us our soul can experience the love and the beautiful warm sensation that it brings through our physical experience. Our soul can also experience any hurt or pain the we endure in our physical existence. It relishes the humanity in us humans. It relishes the constant change and growth of our being. The universe is in constant motion and growth, birthing stars and new worlds. Everything in the universe grows and expands or it dies and changes form to become something else that grows and expands. Heaven would seem a contradiction in this process. We die go to heaven and sit at the foot of this wonderful being and just exist in a constant state of joy and happiness. No growth, no contrast, just existing in this state forever. Yawn! Zzzzzzz. No part of creation exists in this state unless it is before a transition. The concept of heaven does not compute. Heaven and Hell is a state of consciousness not a place. We create heaven and hell. Even the Vatican has acknowledged this as the official position of the Catholic Church in 1999. Here is a link to that edict:
the Vatican says heaven and hell are states of consciousness
A news article on the announcement
The images of hell that Sacred Scripture presents to us must be correctly interpreted. They show the complete frustration and emptiness of life without God. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes the truths of faith on this subject: “To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called ‘hell’” (n. 1033).
Eternal damnation remains a real possibility, but we are not granted, without special divine revelation, the knowledge of whether or which human beings are effectively involved in it. The thought of hell — and even less the improper use of biblical images — must not create anxiety or despair, but is a necessary and healthy reminder of freedom within the proclamation that the risen Jesus has conquered Satan, giving us the Spirit of God who makes us cry “Abba, Father!” (Rm 8:15; Gal 4:6).
In the third sentence, the vatican say specifically that rather than a place, “hell indicates a state of those that seperate themselves from God!” Rather than a place? isn’t that where you can get excomunicated too? So all the excomunications were mental abuse by the church since they were the one putting you in that stat of mind?
In the second paragraph the vatican is basically saying that thoughts of hell should not scare the crap out of people. And they can’t determine who is and is not going to Hell! Say what! Is this the new and kindlier Vatican?
So Hell is not a place. It is a state of mind!
As stated previously, Heaven, hell and karma can only be a myth when we view ourselves as eternal, multi-dimensional beings. Science has established that we are multi-dimensional. Religion has always stated we are eternal beings. However, it’s not a reward. It is our true nature. Don’t live in fear. Don’t feel you are being punished for things you did in a past life or in the past in this life. You have the power to move forward right now! This moment is where you have all of your power to construct your life. What will you do with that power? I hope you will not get into a hellish state of mind. You are free from sin my child. Oh, do I have that authority? No, but niether does the Church!
[...] of mind. I wrote about this and a link to papal edict some months back in an article titled “The Vatican says Heaven and Hell are only mental” Yes, the same Church that decided 1500 years ago that you could be excommunicated for believing in a [...]
There are two things you have to realize from what you said. One: the Catholic Church is NOT Christian, though, it does have the sheepskin of Christianity. To see what I’m talking about, go to http://www.chick.com and go to the Catholic section (also read Dr. Alberto Rivera’s story – online mag in same site). Two: you assume all of us are God’s children. We are NOT! Because of Adam and Eve’s sin, we ALL are, by birthrite, children of Satan. So, our destiny is to end up with him, which is what he wants since he hates us because God loves us. However, God, knowing our situation, provided a sacrifice to take us from Satan’s hold – Jesus Christ, who died in our place to receiving our punishment. However, we have to make a choice to receive this sacrifice. According to the Bible, if we believe in Christ, repent of our sins, ask for His forgiveness, and for Him to come into our hearts to be Lord of our lives, we will automatically be taken from Satan and adopted by God – we will then be children of God. This is a GIFT – no amount of good works can save us – God gave us this gift for FREE! However, if we choose to reject God’s gift, we are telling Him that we’d rather do it on our own; though, we’ll unfortunately see that in doing so, we have chosen to stay with Satan and end up in Hell where he wants us. So, choose life! Seek God and He’ll show you that His Son Jesus is the ONLY WAY, ONLY TRUTH, and ONLY LIFE (paraphrase of John 14:6). I pray that you will find the truth and realize this before it’s too late. God bless and lead you to His truth – just please don’t be stubborn and reject it because it doesn’t feel as comfortable as you’d like it to be – I’m telling you this because I love you and want to see you in Heaven with me in the end. So please, don’t delay in searching for Him! God bless you!
Reginald Martin Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 1:18 am
The Catholic church is not Christian?
For any Christian that does not understand their history and then force their version of their truth on another is abysmal. Ignorance is not bliss. All of the other diatribe is plain and simply religious fear mongering. The teachings of Jesus says that we are all gods. God is in us and we are in God. “The kingdom of heaven is within.” All that is Christian dogma today was started by the Roman Catholic Church. Including the canonized bible that you read and quote. if you do not understand that then I would have to question anything else that you have to say and categorize you as someone that is uninformed and ignorant of your religious history.
Thankfully Jesus was not Christian. Unfortunately his teachings have been misunderstood, misused and twisted by The Church for centuries.
I am free from your fear of hell because I did search and find the teachings of Christ are much deeper than Christian doctrine and dogma.
If your truth has a hell, so be it. My truth does not have a hell nor a Satan.
Men of the Catholic Church elevated Christ to God status. Christ wanted us to understand our status as gods in the universe, just like him.
May the god in you one day recognize the god in us all and know that we are all graced by God weather we believe and accept Christ as the savior or not.
I no longer have to search for that which is a part of me and my life everyday.
Well, if Jesus wasn’t who He said He was, then He didn’t have to die, and we Christians are the most pathetic of all peoples. But, if He is God, whom He claimed to be, then, you’ve better make sure you’ve got the right way. As for “we are gods”, this is from Psalm 82:6, quoted by Jesus in the Gospel of John. Here’s Chuck Smith’s commentary:
This is a direct reference to Exodus, chapter 22, where God does refer to them as Eloihim, which is translated, as I said, judges, but it is the Hebrew Eloihim, gods. Now Jesus quoted this in the gospel of John when the Pharisees were getting ready to stone Him. He said, “I’ve done a lot of good things among you, for which of these things are you going to stone Me?” And they said, “Not for the good things, but we’re stoning You because You being a man are continually making Yourself the Son of God.” And He said, “Well, I said that ye are gods. Why should you stone Me because I say I’m a Son of God?”
Also, go on to read the next verse, where God tells the people, though they are gods, they will die like men (though they have authority they will perish like everyone else). If you take this to mean that you’re the god of your own world, then ok. Satan told Eve the same thing, that she could be like God if she just disobeyed and ate the fruit. Now, we’re paying for that mistake.
As for the Catholic Church (I was raised Catholic and know what it says) says that salvation is never assured. That, if you are a good Catholic, doing all the rituals, you’ll end up in purgatory being purged by flames for some time (no one knows how long), then you may end up in heaven. However, the Bible states:
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Galatians 2:16)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
If the Catholic Church were truly Christian, they would teach what the Bible – what you say they supposedly gave us – says. However, just as I mentioned above, they teach a salvation by works and rituals theology (again, I was Catholic, raised, for twenty years, I know this! And if you were taught Catholicism, you should realize what I’m telling you is the truth!).
Now for some Catholic history: Emperor Constantine saw a crumbling Rome in the face of a rising Christianity, no matter how many Christians were killed. He fought for conquest of Rome and succeeded because of a supposed message from God. The symbol he said he saw during his conquest in Rome was the ankh, similar to a cross, but a symbol from ancient Babylon. He never taught repentance of sins or belief in Christ, but only sprinkled water on his soldiers and suddenly they were “christians”. Furthermore, the Catholic Church, during its many inquisitions and crusades not only killed Jews, but also Bible believing Christians who said their God and Savior was only Jesus, not the Pope. Also, many of the ceremonies introduced by Constantine into his Catholic religion – the wafer as communion, infant baptism, prayers for the dead, confessionals – were taken from pagan practices, given different names and called Christian. Even the Mary and baby Jesus statue was taken from the Babylonian religion of Baal worship, where Semiramis claimed to be the Queen of Heaven (Jeremiah 7:18 – “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.”) and her son Tammuz the reincarnation of her husband Nimrod (also worshiped as the sun god, Baal). You can read all about this on the website.
As for the Bible, the there were two renditions originally: 1. the Textus Receptus – written by Christians in Antioch who believed in the Deity of Christ 2. the Alexandrian text written by Gnostics in Alexandria, Egypt who downplayed Christ’s deity, His virgin birth, and salvation through grace (this is also on chick.com). Constantine used the Alexandrian text, which actually has verses MISSING from the real text (compare any version with the King James Version – specifically 1 John 5:7 for one of MANY examples). The King James Version used the Textus Receptus. Again, to read even more on the history of the Catholic Church, go to that website, http://www.chick.com.
So, what do you have to fear? If I’m wrong, both you and I will end up in heaven, because we each have our way, right? However, if you’re wrong, you’ll regret it for all eternity, realizing you’ve been lied to. Either way, it’s up to you. Make your own god in your own image (second Commandment broken), and when the Antichrist comes, you’ll be one who takes his number and ends up damned forever (by your own choice, NOT God’s!). If you die before then, then you’ll also see how you’ve been lied to. Again, check out the website. If I’m wrong, you have nothing to fear. But make 100% sure you’re right, not based on your feelings, but based on facts. For, when you stand before God, and try to blame Him, He’ll show you how wrong you’ve been and how He’s tried to reach you with the truth, but you didn’t like it, so you went your own way. Please, make sure this doesn’t happen. Do the research, then make up your mind! You don’t know how much longer you have to live, and God loves you and is calling for you. God bless you!
Reginald Martin Reply:
February 14th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
My friend I appreciate your concern for my salvation. Understand that I believe very strongly in the teachings of Christ. However, I have no such affinity for Christianity. Christianity is not meant to teach salvation but to control through fear of retribution. Jesus teaches this:
Luke 17:20 and 21
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within[a] you.”
What he means is the kingdom of heaven is personal. it is within me. You can try and define it for me but in reality it would be your kingdom at that point. You arrogantly believe you know What MY TRUTH should be.
I prefer to practice the teachings of Jesus and other great teacher like him rather than follow Christianity or any religion. I no longer have faith there is a God. I KNOW it is in and around me. I grew up Christian, but then I grew up.
2 Peter 3:3-7
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
From your comments, you are one of these scoffers! Furthermore, you HAVE to either believe one of three things (anything other than these would be illogical and contradictory): 1. Jesus was a lunatic 2. Jesus was a liar 3. Jesus is God in the flesh who came to save mankind, just as He said so (see below):
Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life; No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.” (John 14:6)
Also, in John 3:13-21:
13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Also in John 8:24:
23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Also in John 10:1-2:
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Also in John 11:25-26:
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Also in John 12:44-48:
44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Also in John 15:1-6:
1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Finally, no one talked more about Hell than Jesus! One of many where Jesus warns us of Hell is in Mark 9:43-48:
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
49For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
50Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
If you truly follow Christ’s teachings, then follow them – even those that contradict the “you are your own god” theology.
Finally, only Jesus was ever worshiped. See below:
# Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.
# Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
# Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
# Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
# Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
# Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
# Matthew 28:17
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
# Mark 5:6
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
# Mark 15:19
And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
# Luke 24:52
And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
# John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
In Acts 10, though, we see:
25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
So Peter, being an Apostle of Jesus, refused worship, because he knew he was only a man, NOT God or a god.
If you really follow Jesus, then believe Him. You don’t have to listen to me, but read His word – it is just too plain to see who He was. Don’t condescend to call Him a good man with good teachings then say that He wasn’t who He SAID He was and that He died for nothing (for this is what you say when you say we each are our own god – you say He died for nothing, because we can save ourselves or that we don’t need to be saved because we’re all ok after all).
I do respect your beliefs and you have every right to believe what you want, but I tell you all this because this is the TRUTH – I used to be in your boat, thinking my goodness could get me by just fine, but I also had to face the truth in God’s word. Don’t wait to face that truth till it’s too late! God bless you and show you Himself!
Take care, Reginald. Let me know if you want to talk again (I’ll visit your site periodically). Until then, I’ll leave you be with your beliefs. But I beg you, PLEASE seek Christ while you can!
Reginald Martin Reply:
February 20th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
ahhh, the arrogance and judgement of the religious. A sermon in text.:)
“I do respect your beliefs and you have every right to believe what you want, but I tell you all this because this is the TRUTH”
How can you respect my beliefs and the proceed to tell me that I need to get on board with what you believe?
My friend, your truth is not mine. I am glad that your beliefs work for you. My beliefs and my truths are sufficient for my spiritual walk. Know that everyone’s walk is different and subjective. It is human nature. My truth is that chocolate chip cookies and milk is absolute heaven, but to a diabetic it may be hell! No matter how I may try to convince a diabetic of the greatness of chocolate chip cookies and milk it will not work in their life. Every one of our life experience is subjective. It is the same spiritually. Jesus is your savior. for me his teachings are what is important.
Religion, controls and separates people. It have never brought us together.